IR35 and teamworking

[The SMG]

i'm sure you've seen this by now.

http://www.freelancesupermarket.com/...amworking.aspx

...another quality post by Bel.

I have to say, it's very rare that i'll sit down with clientco in the first 2 / 3 weeks of a new gig and make a list of my 'deliverables'. I generally check the services contract (or schedule) to ensure there is a loose outline of what's required of me but that's about it. What does everyone else do?

[Bel]

Originally Posted by The SMG

i'm sure you've seen this by now.

http://www.freelancesupermarket.com/...amworking.aspx

...another quality post by Bel.

I have to say, it's very rare that i'll sit down with clientco in the first 2 / 3 weeks of a new gig and make a list of my 'deliverables'. I generally check the services contract (or schedule) to ensure there is a loose outline of what's required of me but that's about it. What does everyone else do?

Listing your deliverables, according to the definition I gave in the article, is tantamount to getting a real arrangement letter signed. In fact, I would go as far as to say that it's a lot better (although I know some experts might advise you otherwise). That's because it solidifies the work you have agreed to produce and complete, instead of leaving it to chance or converting a potential engagement into a sham document exercise that could still happen with a RA letter.

Producing deliverables, and listing them in advance of an engagent, is a huge and important step to incorporating the major working practice requirements for self employment, as set out in IR56 guidelines (provided, of course, your upper and lower contracts are also watertight).

[CrazyMoose]

Originally Posted by Bel

Listing your deliverables, according to the definition I gave in the article, is tantamount to getting a real arrangement letter signed. In fact, I would go as far as to say that it's a lot better (although I know some experts might advise you otherwise). That's because it solidifies the work you have agreed to produce and complete, instead of leaving it to chance or converting a potential engagement into a sham document exercise that could still happen with a RA letter.

Producing deliverables, and listing them in advance of an engagent, is a huge and important step to incorporating the major working practice requirements for self employment, as set out in IR56 guidelines (provided, of course, your upper and lower contracts are also watertight).

Therein lies the problem Bel. I think Seb Maley touched on the upper contract a few weeks ago. As a contractor, you can perform a number of pre-assignment checks to ensure you are compliant under IR35. However, if the agency / client contract does not adequately reflect your self employed status you may have a problem. If you work through a relatively small agency, there might (I said might) be an opportunity to have the upper contract re-worded in a more IR35 friendly way. If, like the vast majority of IT contractors out there you work through one of the big boys (Reed, Hays, Manpower etc) your chances of changing the T&Cs are slim at best.

Great post by the way , I really love the stuff you're writing about. It's getting me thinking quite a bit about my own working arrangements which is probably a good thing…

[curleyted]

Bel, you're turning into quite a well known name around here. Nice to see someone with the ability to back their opinion up with decent knowledge. Unlike The SMG

[Bel]

Cheers guys!

I appreciate your nice comments and valuable input very much