IR35 Checklist

[Malvolio]

Originally Posted by Bel

How about Qdos 'is very good value for money' and you don't need to join the PCG?

Clearly, you're here to promote the PCG - that's blatently obvious. But there are other options out there, and readers should be aware of these too.

I sure you realise that.

Sure I support the PCG, but it is not a simple comparison. If all you want is IR35 representation insurance then fine; that's all a lot of people do want and QDOS are pretty good at what they do.

But leaving aside the representational work and all the supporting material (like the detailed IR35 guide ) that you can't put a value on, my £220 subs buy me around £800 of direct services - Jury Service Cover, Agency default cover, access to Credit Checking, professional representation in any tax inquiry (not just IR35 ones) and use of Ashridge's VRLC - plus a pile of discounts on things like PI and training courses.

I belong to the PCG because it's the only effective voice we have in Whitehall and Parliament, and I've yet to see QDOS stand up and say IR35 is wrong or the ICT system is being abused to put UK contractors out of work, but you can't really compare PCG membership with a commercial service provider.

[Bel]

Originally Posted by Malvolio

I belong to the PCG because it's the only effective voice we have in Whitehall and Parliament, and I've yet to see QDOS stand up and say IR35 is wrong or the ICT system is being abused to put UK contractors out of work, but you can't really compare PCG membership with a commercial service provider.

I know people in the PCG too and I'm in regular touch with them - and meet up with them for drinks - so I am well aware of who they, who you are, and what the PCG stand for.

I would disagree that they aren't commercial - they put up advertising, run a brollie and send out mixed messages about what they really stand for and don't appear to have achieved that much in 10 years. After all, IR35 is still with us, isn't it?

What's more, these commercial service providers, that you seem to decry, like Abbey Tax and Accountax that also support the PCG, are precisely the commercial enterprises that make a discussion board like this possible. I have no objection to either of Accountax or Abbey Tax or any other organisation that links to the PCG.

Therefore, don't knock commercial and don't try and make out that the PCG are whiter than the driven snow and aren't tainted with 'the sordid brush of commercial.' They're not, as you fully well know.

In conclusion, all I am saying is this: there are alternatives, which you don't seem to want to acknowledge or promote. What I'm saying is that the PCG provide one of many choices and aren't the only choice available, as you seem to be implying in your posts.

Your overpromotion of the PCG on here, and elsewhere, also appears to be rather aggressive too.. as if nothing else is worth reading and considering.

[Malvolio]

Your overpromotion of the PCG on here, and elsewhere, also appears to be rather aggressive too.. as if nothing else is worth reading and considering.

It isn't...

Seriously PCG has achieved a lot actually, mostly low key stuff that never made the light of day. It's hard to promote as a success something that didn't happen. That's one reason why their profile is a bit wrong and why IMHO they need to upgrade their whole image.

As for commercials, PCG has to earn an income, although not as much as you may think comes from "commercial" activities, most of it is from subs. It is still a not-for-profit organisation.

And I don't promote or suggest the other organisations simply becasue I don't know enough about their offerings and haven't really looked that hard into them. In terms of bangs-per-buck, people should do their own research and make their own choices: all I'm trying to say is that some bangs are not so obvious...

[Bel]

Originally Posted by Malvolio

It isn't...

..

Well why are you posting on here then?

If you don't like what other people have to contribute, I suggest that you go back to the PCG which is where you, quite clearly, belong.

[Malvolio]

Someone clearly didn't spot the smiley...

[BrilloPad]

Originally Posted by Bel

Your overpromotion of the PCG on here, and elsewhere, also appears to be rather aggressive too.. as if nothing else is worth reading and considering.

You should see the PCG forums!

Every fight seems to involve Mal.

I dont think he is aggressively promoting the PCG. Its just aggression........

[Malvolio]

Originally Posted by BrilloPad

You should see the PCG forums!

Every fight seems to involve Mal.

I dont think he is aggressively promoting the PCG. Its just aggression........

Not deliberately agressive, merely honest. Some people take exception at being presented with reality, that's all, as I'm sure you know.

[The SMG]

Originally Posted by Malvolio

Not deliberately agressive, merely honest. Some people take exception at being presented with reality, that's all, as I'm sure you know.

so are you two friends now?